My prayers to God

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One might say that praying is an inborn force that guide people to pray God, you see God is hope for those that need hope most; so when I pray it is this same force that guides me to pray to God? We should believe also that, when we pray God hears our prayer and answers it, in his own time and in his own ways.

My prayers to God

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, more discussions about the end of time, where we discussed many religious things. Anyhow, let us continue to write what we would like to achieve. To achieve what we would like to achieve with these religious writings, I am praying God to help me? I believe that praying God it is the right way to go about.

So, Almighty Father hear my prayer and help me, amen.

Here, before I write my prayer for this article, I would like to explain to my readers, that every time we pray God, we might pray for different reasons, which they would most likely be about what we need at that time. But even if we pray God for different reasons, the prayers that we pray are usually similar. They are similar, because first of all we have to invoke God and ask God for help, at the same time, we have to make sure that we are worthy to ask God for help. And then, we can state what sort of help we need and what it is for, in the end, we should invoke God again to hear our prayers and grand us our requests. Anyhow, let me write my prayer for this article.

My prayer to God for this article

My lord God, with my personal writing concerns, I come praying to you God-Most-High, master of the universe and life-giver to every living thing, I am praying thee for forgiveness of all my life sins, and for reconciliation to thy spiritual and eternal benevolent life force, I am praying in the hope that you would forgive me all my life sins, so that, I would become spiritually clean, and then, you would be able to hear my prayer and help me; I am praying with all my heart my soul and my mind, hoping that in your mercy you would guide and help me write this article of, Religious discussions and prayers according to your will, and in such a way that these religious writings could become helpful one day to all humanity. Father, hear my prayer and help me, amen.

Since in this article, we are talking about my personal prayers, I would like to add another prayer that I usually pray every day of my life, in order to feel that spiritual security within myself, since by praying I feel that I have done the right thing spiritually, and then, God may indeed help me to achieve what I have to achieve with these religious writings.

Personal prayer (2)

My Lord God, and Almighty Father I pray you with all my heart, my soul and my mind, to guard and protect me from all dangers and the spiritual forces of evil, and let me be a very wise man, so that I would be able to live the rest of my life according to your will, and can write these religious writings, in such a way that they could and would connect, all existing religions with God of the universe spiritual life energies; hoping that humanly could and would accept them, and use them for the future benefit of mankind. Father, hear my prayer and help me, amen

Note, if you would like to see more written prayers go to our blog Man needs God and then click in the page link, PRAYERS PAGE at the top of the list; now let us write our religious discussions:

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Personal religious discussions

Dear readers, here I have to confess that I feel as if I am being driven by an inner force to write these religious writings of Prayers for Reconciliation. I know that this force that I feel within could be a psychological wave within my brains, which has been trigged from my own religious beliefs. Anyhow, after thinking for a very long time, and reflecting about this God sent task that seems to be within my mind all the time and never lets me go; I have concluded that perhaps I would never find peace within myself, unless I fulfil my desire to write about these religious beliefs within me. Now, here I need to add that there are a few reasons, why I have started this wanting to write something about my religious beliefs, but they are very complex, therefore I have not been able to explain it fully, but I am sure that I will soon be able to do that, perhaps in this article or our next article. Anyhow, today I have decided to talk to my religious friends again about religions, in the hope that now they may have come to see my religious task in a more favorable way, and so they would be able to help me somehow.

So, I have called my friends to let them know, that I would like to see them again to talk about my religious dilemmas. Now, while I have been waiting for my friends to arrive, I have also been thinking that it would be a good thing, if I write down the reasons why I have started to write these religious writings, so that, while we would be discussing these religious issues, we would be able to understand the situation better. While I have been thinking about these religious things, I have realized that one of the reasons why I have started to write and need to write these religious writings, it was and it still is, that perhaps I see God somehow different from everybody else, and I see also that I understand the Bible a bit different from everybody else; therefore, I need to explain to my friends more clearly what I think God might be like, in the hope that by explaining that, my friends will understand me better, and so, they will be able to help me with their input about their approval or disapproval of whatever is going to be discussed.

While I am thinking about the discussions that we might have with my friends, I have asked myself, why I am seeing these religious things in a different way and also other issues, and here, I have surprised myself that I am denying some of the main reasons, why I wanted to write these new religious views. So, I have again become aware, that one of the trigger of wanting to write these religious views or beliefs in a new way, they were a couple of things. The first one is about the atheist’s denial of God existence; and the second one was the shock of the 9-11 terrorist attack on American soil. We know these two groups are completely different in their religious beliefs, because the atheists deny the existence of God, but the Muslim terrorist believe in their God to the point of carrying these terrorist acts, and killing themselves in the name of their God Allah. These two things although they are very different and far apart, at the same time they are religious issues, so, there is a chance that both of them could be fixed modifying religions.

Anyhow, when I have written this article for the first time, I had reason to believe that the terrorist situation could have escalated very rapidly, and the terrorist may have made wars to the rest of the world, but this may or may not happen at all, so we had to wait and see, but let us leave behind this terrorist threat for the time being, so, let us talk in general what could be done, in order to neutralize both these issues.

This situation could be said to be very strange, because these two groups of people have nothing in common, since they stand so far apart that if they were political parties, they could have been described as extremists, and one would be the extreme right and the other the extreme left. Now, I believe that what I am going to suggest next, it could even be stranger, because I am suggesting some religious changes; because I believe that by changing some religious beliefs both of these religious evils could be neutralized, of course this could only work if everybody would believe in a new religious way, which would be a new religious way for the future. You see, we have in mind this theory, which we are going to suggest, before we complete our religious writings. Anyhow, this is how I imagine that this religious problem could be solved, in the future.

Anyhow, I believe that this post is becoming too long, while there is a lot more to be said, which we are going to write in our next post, other religious reasons and prayers.

See you soon.

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Discussions about the end of time

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In the last book of the Bible, the writer John describes how the world would end, according to his own vision that he believe it is from God.
One of his vision is also about this seven headed beast and many other things, as described in the last chapter of the Bible called Revelation.

More discussions about the end of time

More outside discussions about Revelation and the end of time

My dear readers, in our last post we went out of our way, to talk about some problems we are having with the Internet programs in our computer, because we would like to inform anybody that uses the internet, about those problems, because we believe that they are overcharging us, and they might be overcharging you as well. Having done that, now we go back to talk about our religious posts, where we were discussing about, the end of time.

Anyhow, let me go back to our normal religious discussions. So, here and now I would like to say, how I see these religious issues my own way; or perhaps I should say, how I see these religious discussions about the Bible Revelation today. You see, since that last religious meeting with my friends that I have written in our last religious post, I have also had several discussions with other outside people about Revelation at the end of the Bible, and from these discussions I have come to the conclusion, that Revelation has different meanings to different people. I have found that there are people that believe, that Revelation is indeed how the world would end soon or later; but there are also some people that say that Revelation at the end of the Bible is not going to happen at all, because it was/is only a descriptive way that John the writer of Revelation used, so that they could control the religious people of those days by giving them courage, since God would help them, by bringing a new system one way or another.

There is also another reason as some learned people suggest that Revelation is not what religious people want us to believe even today, which is that the world will end soon, because there will soon be a war, so great that the whole world will be destroyed. Here we definitely can add that if a great war is going to happen, then, the world could indeed end, because of the atomic bomb that some deranged leaders may use. It could also happen because of the Muslim threat that really seems to split the world in two, and therefore it could be very much like Armageddon written in the Bible. I do not like to add anything else here, because we believe that humanity should be able to find a way out from these dangerous situations. I believe that some of us have reached the age of reason and should be able to find a solution. My own personal solution could be said to be what we would like to achieve with these religious writings. It might not be much of a solution, but if these writings happen to get some important people thinking about religious solutions, they might be able to do something about it. Anyhow, let us describe what we would like to do ourselves with these writings.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACHIEVE WITH THESE WRITINGS:

We are trying to set the stage for the entire world to see

So, when you read these pages you might have to agree

That here we are trying to find a way to God for all humanity,

In the hope that we would be living in God's peace for eternity

Therefore, I am praying God to guide and help me, amen.

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Now just a few more words about Revelation. As you know, there are some people who believe that revelation has already happened, what these believers are saying is that, what the writer John was saying was that Armageddon was really the end of the Roman empire ruling over the world, because when John wrote Revelation the Romans were the main enemies of the follower of Jesus, so they may well be right to assume that a new system has already happened.

Looking back at what has been said in these discussions above. It seems to me that there may still be this need to discuss the Bible interpretations of Revelation, because some people seem to disagrees with the present interpretation, which the religious leaders of today want us to believe, in order to scare us again so that we would follow them and do whatever they say.

I believe that we have said enough in this article. So, see you in our next article, where we will be talking about more religious discussions and also about prayers.

May God help us to understand these religious things?

May God bless us all?

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http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

Cyber programs rip off

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Cyber programs problems

Today the computer helps us do many things, but it comes at a cost, and with its own problems. So, we need sometime overcome those problems that come with it.

Cyber programs problems

Dear readers, today because of a few things that have happened to me, I am writing this post about Cyber programs, because I am having problems with them and they are costing me money. Because this is an issue that needs to be fixed, from the people in charge of those programs, I am going to post my article, in every forum that I can, in the hope that it will be noted from those people that can do something about it, that is the reason why, I am posting this post here today.

Anyhow, what I am writing in this post today, should interest everybody that uses a computer and goes online. So, please read this article, and if you feel that you have been ripped off, from these cyber programs like I do. Please do your part and complain about it, just as I am going to complain in this article. I believe that it might help, because some of the people that control these programs, might read our complaints and do something about it.

But first let me say what I think about computers. I believe that the computer is one of the greatest devices invented by mankind, we should look at what they can do for us to convince ourselves, but they come at a cost, which sometimes we believe is more than what we thought it should cost us, so, we should look for ways how to keep these costs to a minimum. Yes, we should look for way to keep cost to a minimum, but that is not easy to do, as you are going to see once you read this article, because of the several problems that we might encounter.

In my opinion, I believe that the computer is still a new devise, that we are slowly learning how to use it properly, for this reason we make mistake and these mistakes may cost us money, like I am experiencing right now, and most of us have experienced it, when we are using computers. I hope that these issues will improve with time, and to run a computer will be a lot cheaper in the future. I am basing this hope from this observation; about the motorcar, you see, fifty years ago, if you had a car you would have experienced several mechanical breakdowns, but today cars are more reliable and they rarely breakdown, they are also a lot easier to use. So, I hope you see my point of view, I believe that computers will be cheaper and more reliable in the future. Anyhow, let me go back to talk about my complaints.

Computer cyber programs rip off

You see, today I am going out of my way to complain about this. So, instead of writing about the refugees’ problems, as I have said in my previous article. I am going to complain about the computers cyber programs rip off, because I feel that I am being ripped off in many ways. I believe that most of us that use the computer are exposed to these risks, because soon or later we need to buy some software programs, for the computer to function properly.

Now, let me explain the situation. I believe that most of us would be glad to pay for those software programs that we believe we need. But what about those software programs that we don’t need, but slowly they have found their way in our computer, because they have popped up so many times on our monitor, advertising themselves as being useful for this and that, just to check them out we have looked at them and sometimes intentionally and at other times unintentionally these software’s have been downloaded to your computer.

Once that is done, we become aware that these software programs are not what we need, they are not free, as they made us believe at the beginning, and they would be costing us a lot more than what we thought, they could cost. So, we think that it would be better to delete them, before we pay. But, that cannot be done, because we cannot find a way to delete them, the more we look for ways to delete them, the more we are advised to add other things to it, that would cost us even more. In the end, they are so insisting and aggressive that somehow, we press the wrong key and they get paid.

Anyhow, we have tried our best and we have failed to save our money, so, we think that this is just one payment that we better forget about it, or perhaps try to resolve it somehow later, which could never happen, because you could not and would not find the way how to unsubscribe from these software programs. I believe that these programs have been made, in a way that they continually advertise themselves, as being useful, when we may not need them at all. So, we would like to unsubscribe, but as I said, when you look to unsubscribe, instead of finding how you could unsubscribe, they continue to tell us how good they are and the link to unsubscribe never comes up. So, I wish that there was an easier way, how to unsubscribe from them, because we are stuck with them, but there is even more bad news, as I will explain my situation here- under.

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My situation with cyber programs

Dear readers, what I am writing here, it is my personal situation, but if you think about it, this same situation could apply to any of us, when we use any software, on any device that needs software to function. Anyhow, today I am in a stressful situation, because I don’t want to pay for programs I believe I didn’t order and I don’t need. Now, because on the Internet, I could not find a way how to have my money back myself, I have gone to my financial institution and applied to have my money back. Just because I did that, now I cannot use my pay pal account for a while, since they register this as if somebody is using my pay pal account.

But the only people that are using my pay pal account are the greed merchants, which want me to buy their software every year, they don’t give me the chance to unsubscribe easily, because it is convenient for them, so, they are charging me for software I don’t want and don’t need, and sometimes even several time a year, I am paying for the same software. I know this sounds very unusual but this is what is happening to me. But how did all this misunderstanding situation occur one may ask? So, let me explain the way I see it.

In my case, this situation occurs, because there are times when I have been charged up to three times a year for the same program, as you know we need more than one software program to run a computer, so, there are times when this is very frustrating, of course, this situation to some of you might seem absurd, but this is what has happened to me several times already. So, I had to do something about it, and I did as I have said above, with some unforeseen consequences.

Now, before I say anything else, I must point out to you that today I have only one desk computer at my place. A couple of years ago, I had a laptop for a short time, but then I took it back to the shop, because there were too many problems with it. So, now I use only my desktop, which sometimes it plays up. There have been times when I had to restore it to make it work, but the restore points in this computer don’t work properly, so, sometimes I am forced to restore it to factory settings. When I do that, all programs are wiped out, so, I need to reinstall them back one by one, but that is not the only problem, the major problem here is that sometimes it is hard to make accept the old programs that I have already paid for to the computer. This is very likely the greatest problem, as I will try to explain here-under.

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My cyber problems and my solution

So, as I have said above, I have many problems to solve with running my computer, here I would like to describe the rest of them and then suggest a solution, hoping that those people in charge come across what I have written and would do something about it, to make it easier for all of us.

Anyhow, let me start to point out again that today I have only ONE desktop computer, that I am using. But I believe that, because a couple of years ago, I bought an Acer laptop, but it was no good, so, after a couple of months, I took it back to the store for a refund. Anyhow, I think that while I had this Acer laptop, I have installed some software that even today I am being charged again and again, while this computer does not exist, and therefore, I cannot use them, because this computer does not exist, I cannot delete them either for the same reason.

But that is only one way to explain what is happening, but there is more to explain, because when I am forced to restore back to factory setting, when I reset the computer, it might be registered as if it is new computer, when in fact it is the same old computer, I try to reinstall the old software that I have already paid for, using those keys and number as I understand them, but sometime it does not work, so, I might end up to pay again for something that I had already. Anyhow, it is all a mess that costs me more money that normally it would cost, because I am paying for software programs that are installed on computers that do not exist. I hope I have explained it clear enough for people to understand my situation.

So, having explained the problems that I have with my computer, about the software, I wish that every time a software becomes due for renewal, they send me an email where I have a choice, and asks clearly whether I would like to renew my subscription, or unsubscribe from it. I believe that this could solve most of my problems about paying for computer software.

What I am asking here is only fair, after all, it is so hard to unsubscribe from anything, unless you can find that first email, when you subscribed the first time, or you are an expert about computers. I hope have explained myself clearly and that somebody would take my suggestion earnestly.

This is all that I want to say today, while I am waiting for pay pal to reopen my account fully, so, I don’t have any more restrictions on it, and I can pay my software when they are due, because today I have already Microsoft Office overdue and I need that program on this computer.         

See you soon in my next post, which we will go back to talk about, more discussion about the end of time.  

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About the Bible and revelation

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The seven headed beast of Revelation, is described in the last chapter of the Bible
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My say about the Bible and Revelation

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, John’s religious speech, where Mark and Gino had said something about John’s speech and I was about to say something myself, so, let me continue. Look Gino and Mark, I know that we have our own personal things to attend to, so, we should go our own ways; but, let me say first a few more things about what I believe the Bible is like, before we go our own ways and do what we should do.

I believe that the Bible is two books in one, or perhaps several books all expressed in one single book, so, the Bible may have several meanings as well, and not just one religious meaning as it is being used today. Therefore, one has to be careful to attach just one single meaning to the entire Bible. Because, even though we know that the Bible has been used as a religious book for a very long time; we should also know that the Bible is a law book and an history book for the Israelite. You see, it is stated clearly in the Bible that it is a law book, they say that it is all God’s laws, as it is shown in the Ten Commandments for a start.

So, let us just assume that there is (was) this real God, who talked to Moses and that this God has laid down the laws as written in the Bible. But then one would like to ask; did this God really talk to Moses every single time Moses had to write these laws? Or perhaps sometimes Moses wrote his own laws, which were designed my himself according to the need of the times when he lived. So that, he could control his people as best as he could?

Of course what I have said (written above) is just an example, but with this Moses’ example I want to point out that this could be the case for just any other laws and religious writing in the Bible; so, one has to assume that not everything written in the Bible is God words or inspired by God, because it is subject to manipulation from the writer himself and from future writers as well.

Having said that I can now assume that, the book of Revelation in the Bible that we have been talking about with John. I believe that it could have been written like that, just because it needed to be written like that, at that particular tough time in history. You see, in those times, people were more violent than today, and also, most of the known world of those times was under the Roman rules, these Roman rules were very harsh; so, very likely the Bible Revelation was intended as being the end of the Roman rules and not the end of the world.

Therefore, this is one of the reasons why, I do not believe in Revelation and tribulation as written in the Bible, or I should say as most of the people want to understand it today, because I believe that it is not going to happen that way at all, because it is an almost impossible to happen just the way that it has been written in Revelation, anyhow it may have already come to pass, as the Roman empire has ended a long time ago.

Therefore, I feel that, if Revelation is going to happen as it is written in the Bible. And therefore, I am wrong in assuming that it is not going to happen and could not happen. Then, because I still want to write these religious writing and review the Bible, I may have reasons to believe that I am being used from God, or God’s life force energies of the universe, (if you start thinking that God might just be a life force.) Because, I would feel then, that I am being used as the forerunner of Revelation, and I am announcing that the first seal in Revelation is about to be (broken) opened, and therefore, Revelation is truly going to happen soon just the way it is written in the Bible. But let us hope that it does not and could not happen anyhow, and so, I am writing this to guide people away from this mistaken religious view.

Here I turned to my friend and said. Well, this is all what I wanted to say today, before we all go back to our own business, thanks for listening.

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The end of time personal views

After this meeting that I had with my friends, where we talked about the issues that we have written above, every one of us went our own way. So, I was left all by myself and I was still thinking what we had discussed at that meeting. While I was thinking about that, I became aware that not all the people that read religious pages may know what is meant by Revelation in the Bible. So, I thought that it would be helpful to explain very briefly to the public, what the Bible book of Revelation talks about.

The book of Revelation is the last book of The New Testament in the Bible, and it predict how the world will end, since according to the writer John, God wants the world to end on his terms (this John is not John who wrote one of the gospels). Now, whether Revelation is only a scary description to make people stronger in their religious beliefs, so that, they would follow their religion more closely, or it is something that is going really to happen nobody knows even today, so, the whole thing is open for discussions, and everybody can believe whatever they want to believe, so, let us discuss it a bit more here, this end of time warning of the bible.

As I have said and I am saying in this article, if what is written in revelation about the end of time is really going to happen, then because I am writing these religious writings, I am being used from God as the forerunner of Revelation, where I am announcing that the first seal is about to be opened. But at the same time I do not see that it is possible for me to be said forerunner for Revelation.

However, we believe that some religious changes are going to happen in the future, and whether they happen as it is written in the Bible, or something similar, it does not really matter much, as long as these changes happen. Anyhow, these changes will bring a new system somehow, so that, then the threat and warning of Revelation will cease to exist. Because then, Revelation could be said that it has taken place, since a new religious system would have been installed.

So, I am not particularly concerned about those threats in Revelation, because in one way or the other we will fulfil God’s will.

For the time being we may accept this explanation above, of course we are going to talk again and again about this subject later on in these religious writings.

To anyone that wants to see more of these religious writings can go to this web address:

http://sites.google.com/site/prayersofreconciliation/

Anyhow, I believe that I have said enough in this post, so see you in our next post called, more discussions about the end of times.

See you soon.

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About the Bible and revelation
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http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

John's religious speech

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The Bible is the most read book in the entire world, most religious people believe that it is the word of God. But today there are some people that think that it is only a religious book written my man. It is for sure the Israelite history and religious book. Here we could ask, how much it is God's word we don't know. Anyhow this is what some people believe.  

John's speech

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, our religious discussions, where we were about to hear what John was going to say, so, let us continue:     

And this is what John said.

Dear friends, you know already why I am here, but let me explain anyhow.

As some of you already know, I have been following up a few religions for a while, just to find out whether to be religious and follow this or that religion is the right thing to do for me. But, this could apply to myself and to any of us here as well. If we ask ourselves, what is the best way to go about believing and following a religion? Which one of these existing religions could be the right religion for us all? You see I have asked myself many times these questions; so, I have some good ideas about religions today. 

So, let me tell you my present beliefs. As you all know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible in one way or another, so, I believe that following what is written in the Bible is the right way to go, as most people seem to be happy to do that.

Therefore, after having studied a few religions I came to the conclusion that they are more or less all the same; so, I dare say that perhaps the best thing for anybody is to stay with the religion your parents have taught you, but really it is up to you what you want to do.

Now, let me come to today’s’ religious task. Mark and Gino here have come to me, they talked to me and told me about you Frank, and what you have intention to do. During our talks as a religious believer I became concerned. So, because I became concerned for this reason, I am here today to tell you about my concerns, so, I am here to talk about these concerns of mine, in order to help you to make the right decision once you have heard what I have to say.

Recently I was with a religious group, where we had a discussion about Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations in Revelation, and also, other things expressed in the Bible Revelation, so, they were looking for other explanations, or perhaps another way out that would be less demanding on humanity.

To cut a long story short, one of the members who was there pointed out to us, that we could do nothing at all about it, as the Bible itself warns us that it should not be changed. So, this bloke took the Bible and read the very end of Revelation which says the following. Here, I am going to quote from the Bible the same way as he did.

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Reading the end of the Bible

Here John took his Bible and read.

REVELATION

EPILOGUE

22-16- I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.

17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.

18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;

19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.

20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.

21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.

(End of quote from Bible)

This is how, The Jerusalem Bible, ends.

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Now, let us talk about this meeting that we had with Mark, Gino and John:

When John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself, why I was concerned and wanted to let you know what my views and beliefs are on these religious matters; so that, you would be aware how I see these religious issues.

Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say to you, I feel better already, because the decision will be yours, if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do by reviewing what is written in the Bible, or hear and heed the warning in the last chapter of the Bible, and therefore, stop just like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years, as they have been scared from that warning. What do you say now?

I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you have given me. I will think about it.

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Discussing Revelation and John's reading

Anyhow, now that John has given us his personal advice about Revelation, let us discuss what would be wise to do about it, since it looks like that before we do anything we will have to learn a lot more about this Bible warning that John has read to us, and therefore, I am not going to rush into doing anything, unless we discuss it first properly. So, I would like to discuss this matter a bit more with my friends here Mark and Gino just to see what they think about it.

Then, I turned to Gino and Mark and asked them: What do you think about John’s Bible warning? I would like to hear your opinion on this warning that he has read to us, therefore, if you have anything to say you can start saying it right away now.

Mark’s reply:

Well, what John has brought up sounds very serious to me, and I dare say that perhaps you Frank have to moderate most of your religious ideology, so that, it does not change anything that is said in the Bible, in other words whatever you are going to say about this issue, it should not contest the Bible scriptures. Here I want also to say to you. Look Frank! Lots of generations have gone past and they have all accepted the Bible and also Revelation just the way they are. So, I don’t know why you see it in a different way?

Therefore, I would like to suggest that we study first the Bible a bit longer, in the hope that we understand this issue better, before you do anything about this matter. What do you say to my request? Would you agree to study the Bible with us for a while yet before you make any decision?

We all said yes to Mark’s request saying, we agree with you that we need to study the Bible a lot more, before we make our decision and start saying anything about the Bible openly.

Then I added, but I would like to know also what Gino personally thinks about John’s warning and everything else? So, Gino tell us what you think about this Bible discussion and warning that John has talked about? I would like to know that because, I am sure that you have your own way of seeing these religious things.

Gino’s reply:

I am glad you asked. I have to say that I agree with Mark, when he says that we should really study this religious situation before we do anything; I want also to say that I was partly surprised about the way of John’s interpretation of the Bible. Because I believe that there may be another meaning to this sinister Bible warning, for me it does not add up properly, so, let me explain.

For me, I have always seen Our Lord Jesus Christ as a very friendly person; so, I was a bit surprised to hear all that change in Revelation. What makes me think this disagreement is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way the angel is saying it. You see, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel sounds very harsh and he issues threatening warnings, here Jesus seems completely changed, Jesus sounds more like God Yahweh than Jesus. So, I believe that there are several meanings in those writings, and I would say that we should investigate and proceed with caution.

Me to Gino- Gino! What do you mean by proceed with caution?

Gino to me- What else can you do? You can’t rush things in a situation like this. You may have to read the Bible once or twice more from the beginning until the very end; or at least all the new Testament to find the meaning of what has been said, and then and only then, you may be in a position to decide what to talk about.

Mark said- Frank, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do.

Then, if it is God’s will that you have to write these religious writings, God will make sure that you will find enough time and also the right way how to do it?

Now, since we have already spent a great deal of time on this religious task, I suggest that we adjourn the meeting for another time. So, let us enjoy ourselves the usual way before we have to depart our own way, in order to do what we usually do. This is how my friends concluded their answer to my request.

I believe that I have said enough in this post, as today average readers don’t like long articles, so, I will continue to have my say next time about the Bible and Revelation. See you soon.

May god bless us all.

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http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

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Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, the bible and today violent happenings, where we were about to have some discussions. So, hereunder are some religious discussions that we have had with some of our close religious friends. This meeting happened sometime after the first meeting. At this new meeting, Mark and Gino came together with another friend called John, but as soon as they saw me they grew a bit serious and they didn’t seem to be their usual self, as they are usually happy when we meet together and chat about various things, so, I guessed that I had given them a hard task, which at the present time it seems to upset them a fair bit.

So I asked them; what’s the matter with you my friend? Why isn’t your usual self, and happy? You seem very grave to me is there anything that is upsetting you, I would like to know?

No, personally nothing is upsetting us accept the news that we are bringing you, (they said) which are not going to be exactly those religious views that you would have liked to hear from us. Anyhow, let me tell you, we have been talking to a few people about what you would like to do, and also, your intention of reading and reviewing the Bible, perhaps just by giving it a different meaning somehow. Of course we did not tell them about your supernatural encounter, as we agreed with you that we should not talk about it with any outsiders; so, we talked only about what you have intention to say or write, like reviewing the meanings of the Bible and what it means or something of that sort. Now, the outcome of these talks has left us concerned, as there is no way to know what people really think about religions nowadays, they are too shifty and contradict themselves many time, while you are talking to them. Therefore, now we are even more concerned than when we started asking those religious questions; for this reason, we are here to show you what we have learned and what these things might mean.

Here, Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit more upset about what they were still going to say to me next, so, I tried to put them at ease.

Well, (I said) I thought that this outcome was likely to happen, because people usually don’t like to think about difficult matters, and religion is perhaps one of the most difficult of them all. If religious matters were easy, they would have been solved by now. For these reasons, people keep believing what they have been told to believe, and what they have been taught to do during their lives, as this is for them the easy way out, but really I believe that for sure there is another unexplored religious way and I would like to find it out, with or without your help.

So, tell me a bit more about this religious exploration of yours: Did most people give you negative comments about what I would like to do? Or, did they also have some positive comments? If they did both what percentage were they?

Well, it is hard to say, but a rough estimate is that they seem to be about half of them, so 50% could be the right figure just to put a figure on that amount. But this is not all, because some of those people, that didn’t like your religious ideas about reviewing the bible come on very strong, so we thought that it would be good for you to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and really what he has been saying make sense to us too.

Now, if you agree we may hear what John has to say?

Okay I said, let John speak then, about these religious matters, if this is what is on his mind, since it seems to me that he believes in what he is going to say.  

Anyhow, I believe that if I write about what John is going to say in this post, and other things that should follow, this post might be too long. So, I am going to write it in our next post called, John’s speech.

See you soon.  

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If you believe in God 
The Bible and today violent happenings
IS TO BE CONTINUED
Next time with, our religious discussions  

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Some personal and religious links: 

http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com