God of the atheist

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About God and the atheists  

May God help and guide me to write the right things.

Dear readers, as we have said in our previous article, the atheist are those people that do not believe in the existence of God. Anyhow, we believe that it is not right, so, we hope of finding a way how religions can be modified, so that the atheists can accept the existence of God. I believe it can be done, if we believe that God is life and all religions can be linked.

Now the atheists do not believe in God, because they do not see the need of having a god. You see, most of us believe in God and believe that we need religions to guide us and follow God’s laws; and because, God is hope for those that need hope most. Therefore, we cannot follow the atheist ways, since we believe that we need God.

So, I believe that we need a Super-God that even the atheists can accept, and this Super-God should be able to connect all existing religions.

Now, let us say what we are going to write in this article. In this article we will be writing about: There is a god even for the atheists. Talking about a possible atheist’s God. Which God is for the atheists? Now let me say a prayer to our Father God Most High, in the hope that God hears my prayer and helps me say the right things.

My prayer to God Most High

Almighty Father I pray you with all my heart, my soul and my mind, to guide and protect me from all dangers and the spiritual forces of evil, then let me be a wise man, so that I can write these religious writings as humanly as possible according to your will, and in such a way that humanity can accept them and use them for the future benefit of mankind. Father hear my prayer amen.

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There is a god even for the atheists

Yes, we believe that there can be a god even for the atheists; if we describe God in a different way. We need to do that because, the atheist attitude can cause hardship to the people that believe in God. So, it would be good, if there is a God for the atheists, of course, this god must be close enough to the atheist’s own beliefs, so, in this article we are writing a theory called, God for the atheists, which the atheists can accept.

So, religious believers should accept our religious suggestions, since we are trying to describe a new religious way, in the hope that we can change the atheist’s views about god existence, and we can live in peace with them. But if the atheist views cannot be changed. Then, one day will come when the atheist can win their way. We believe that that day will be a hard day for the believers, because they have their own reasons for believing in God; since God for them is hope for those that need hope most.

So, let us imagine that God does not exist, we the believers that need God want to find our way back to God, because mankind needs God, so, we believe that it is better if we find a way how to modify God, in such a way that even the atheists can accept. Even if this modified God is different to the God we know now, in the hope that the atheists accept this God.

After all, Man needs God, and perhaps God needs man, otherwise what does a god mean if there are no followers? And what will those people that rely on religions for guidance do, if there is no God and religious guidance?

We will continue this issue in our next blog, where we will talk about a possible atheistic god. See you soon. 

May God bless us all.  

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Gino's comment

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Gino's comment

These are Gino's comments

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, comments on Mark speech, where we said that we were going to ask Gino to comment, and this is what Gino said:

Let me talk about Mark speech first: I must say that Mark and I agree on most of these religious issues, so, there is no point in repeating them, I only would like to say a bit more about the last group of people who we call the atheists, as they need to be noted about their ways of thinking and speeches, especially when they try to ridicule the religious believers. I would say that any religious believer should avoid talking to any of them about religious matters, because soon or later those atheists are inclined to ridicule the religious beliefs of the believers, and because, they are usually good intelligent people, it is hard for any average religious believer to defend themselves from this group.

They attack believers usually by asking proof of the existence of God or any religious matter, so, Mark is right when he calls them the danger group of religious beliefs. We really need to think hard how to defend ourselves from this group, if we want to save religions and keep religions as close as they are today. Let me show you a few examples about what they usually talk about to get the believers off guard.

You believers say that God is Omnipotent, now if God is omnipotent then God should be capable to do anything at all no matter how difficult the task is.

Now, there are many things in the world that need to be fixed, why your God does not fix them? For these reasons, we say that your God most likely does not exist at all; and/or if God exists He is definitely not omnipotent, or he is not willing to fix anything, so, your god is not your fatherly benevolent God that you say he is. Therefore, your religious beliefs are flawed and you would be better off if you don’t believe in your God.

And they continue, we say and believe that we are right to assume that there is no God and religions are there only to control people. But that is not all that we want to say, because there is more to say about religious beliefs. You see, when we see that religions in a way fight with each other’s; then we believe that it would have been better if religions did not exist at all. Do you see what we atheist mean? For these reasons, we believe that there is no God.

This sort of reasoning goes on with many god’s attributes and they challenge the believers to give proof of the existence of God and its attributes. So, it is hard for any believers to give proof of God and its attributes. How can any believers give proof about God?

And god omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence and many other God attributes?

This is how the atheists attack any believers with this sort of reasoning; they do that because for the atheists God and religion would be better if they did not exist. What can be done to change their attitude is hard to say. But then if nothing is done it can result in more harm to the community, because they will slowly make the believer deny their God. If that happens, then whatever religious guidance and restrains that religions have on the average believer will be lost, so, the world will be worse off, because of this denial of the existence of God and religions, this is what I wanted to say about Mark speech.

Now, let me see what I can say about what you just said Frank, I can see that you are trying to find a possible solution, but what sort of solution you could find you don’t know yet, it is just as I was saying it is hard to know what can be done; I have to say that there are times when I think that today’s religions are missing the point, they don’t know how to keep the people believing what they have always believed; because times are changing, but religions are not changing at all, as religious leaders fail to see the need to change.

Therefore, I understand you Frank when you say that something needs to be done, and I say also that perhaps it is time to do something about it and find a way around it. Looking at what has been said, I see something that perhaps can be done, so, may I suggest that we start to read the Bible bit by bit and comment among ourselves how many interpretations can we give to that part of the Bible, it might turn out that there are interpretations that can apply to these modern times.

I hope I have explained myself clear enough in this difficult religious task.

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Your speech is clear enough for me I said; then I turned to Mark and asked: what do you think of Gino speech Mark? His speech is very clear for me too (said Mark); in fact, it is just about what I would have liked to say myself. But now, where do we go from here I don’t Know?

I suppose I need to say something myself now about what we have talked about; what I see here is the need to review what is written in the Bible, and also think hard if what has been written in the Bible had the right meaning at the time it was written the first time, but today it may not apply any more, and therefore, we may need to adjust these religious things, as the needs of the day suggest. So, let me write my own comment.

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Frank's comment

FRANK THE WRITER COMMENT

Mark and Gino, now that we have talked about many religious issues, in these religious discussions that we are having, and what you have found for yourself, while you were talking to the people about religious subject, what religious people think and what atheist think, I hope that you may have changed your previous opinion, and therefore, now you might be thinking more like me; which is that something needs to be done to help religions find a way of peaceful existence, if peaceful existence can ever be found one day.

But at the same time, we have to agree that to achieve complete peaceful existence is not easy, because the way religions are today, therefore, I believe and I hope also that you agree with me that religions need to be reviewed and brought in line with the present times, which embrace many changes in all sorts of issues. Having said that, I have to say that at this present time nobody wants to listen to our religious approach, so, there is not much that we can do presently; but one can always start thinking about the possibilities, if one day something could be done to solve this religious problem for good.

In order to do that, let us imagine anything at all that could be able to help us achieve that, let our thinking minds run free with no limits imposed on them, let the sky and beyond be the limit, so that, we are free to think about anything at all.

If we do all this above, then, I believe that the only way that this could be achieved is to come up with a religious theory, which allows the existence of all religions as they are today; but at the same time finds a way and be able to show it clearly to the people that all religions are one link of the same religious chain, which links religions together, at the highest spiritual point possible; if we are able to do that, then it might be possible to do something about it. I know this is not as simple as it sounds, but if we keep looking for it we will find the way to show people that.

While searching the Internet, I have found that there was a philosopher called, Baruch Spinoza, 1632-1677 who believed that it is more likely that God may not be just the way that religions want you to believe nowadays; but it could be that God was more like Mother Nature therefore it is more likely that we are all part of God, and God is everything, or at least every living thing in existence is part of God.

So, let us see what this sort of reasoning takes us; Let us assume that God could not be exactly how we have been thought God is like today; then it may well be that God is more like what Spinoza believed God was like, this may very well be the link that we need to find, in order to link all existing religions together.

Therefore, if we think a bit like Spinoza and add to the knowledge which we have today, we might be able to describe a god which could co-exist with all religions together.

So, let us put out minds together and see if we can describe this God for everybody; which we could call God-Most-High. Mark and Gino, what do you think of my idea?

My friends Mark and Gino said; well, it seems a bit strange to us, but your idea is an idea and it might even work somehow, so, let us try to make a list of how this god-most-high could be; just to see if we are able to find a way to Spinoza ways of thinking about, what is God?

Very well I said; you see, a while ago I was thinking this same thing, so I have already written something about, what is God? So, I am going to show you soon what I wrote:

Looking at the many things that we have discussed in this article, I think that we have said enough already in this article, but we will continue with these same religious discussions in next article called, God and the atheist; see you there.

May God help us find the right religious way? For this reason, I will be praying God to help me with this prayer:

Almighty Father, I am praying you with all my heart, my soul and my mind hoping that in your mercy you would guide and help me write these religious writings, Father hear my prayer, amen.

May God bless us all?

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Comments on Mark speech

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Comments on Mark speech

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post called, God is hope for those that need hope most, where we reached the end of Mark speech and we were going to comment on his speech, so, here is the comment on Mark speech.

My comment on Mark religious’ speech

Now, let me see if I got it right, so, let me say something about what you have just said Mark; and then of course I am going to say how I see religious issues these days:

Looking at what you have just said, we agree with you about this erratic people behavior about religions. So, when we take all these things in consideration, it seems to me that overall today people are not so sure about religions anymore, or at least we could say that they are not as sure as they were in the past. Therefore, because of this people behavior, as we can see today religions are not as powerful as they used to be in the past, because people just don’t believe everything religious leaders tell them. Because they want to know and understand religions for themselves, so, they start thinking and ask themselves what are religions for? Because of this trend there are many who doubts about the value of religious beliefs altogether, so, they are splitting up in smaller groups, in a more definite way, and everybody tries to be with their own mates that believe about the same religious things.

Because of this present religious movement, there are some extremist groups like the atheists, as Mark has pointed out that do not believe in God at all; this group would like to see that God and religions disappear from the face of the earth altogether, because of their non-beliefs in God. I have to say that these atheists might even succeed one day in bringing all religions down, if the rest of the world doesn’t do anything to stop this movement that wants to bringing down religions. If that is the case, what the good citizens of the world should do to restore a balance that would prevent this event happening, one may ask? Since we believe that God and religions are useful to all humanity.

Therefore, the people of this world need to do something about it, because there are reasons to believe that it would result in a great religious chaos, if we let the atheists have their ways. For these reasons I believe that the world cannot afford to suddenly stop believing in God and religions and follow the atheist’s views; even though we have to admit that there are things that might not be right in religion, but, we still need God and religions.

For this reason, I suppose we should think about something that could help everybody in this community continue with their religious beliefs, after all religions are still important enough even today, because as Mark said; Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.

Perhaps we should look at the reasons why these atheists are what they are today. We can only assume that religions as they are taught today, they don’t make sense to most of us anymore, because most times religions really don’t make sense even to us believers; but religious leaders still want people to believe what they believe or what they want us to believe even when it cannot be explained by common sense, as they would like to continue with religions just the way they are and have been, so that, they would be able to control the public through religious beliefs.

Looking at what we have just said, one has reason to believe that this religious leaders attitude is perhaps part of the reason why people are moving away from religions. Having said that, this question now arises; if we want this movement to stop happening to religions what can we (the believers) do about it?

Well, what we can do, I suppose is hard to say; but we have to look closely at all options that we have, and then, decide what could be done. Personally speaking for myself, I believe that we should review the ways that religions are being taught today, we need to learn what the future generations would like to see in religions and what they would like to change in order to still believe in God and religions. Perhaps the best way is to continue to study existing religious beliefs to see whether they could mean something else, or if they could have a double meaning, and then, choose the meaning that would not drive people away from religions. What I have just said is one of the reasons that we would like to sort out in the future, while we continue to write these religious writings. I think I have talked about most of my religious views of today.

Then I turned to Gino, and said: Now that we have heard what Mark had to say and you have also heard my views on it, what do you think of our speeches? And what have you found out for yourself? You can say what you want now it is your turn to speak.

I believe that this post is already long enough, so, we will be writing about Gino’s speech in our next post called, Gino’s comment

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God is hope for those that need hope most

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Our Lord Jesus Christ, the greatest man that ever lived on earth, he came down to earth to give us hope. He was a religious teacher and God. Jesus Christ changed some religious meanings and simplified religion, so, we should thing that religions can be changed. 

God is hope for those who need hope most

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of a previous post, religious reasons and prayers, where we were having a religious meeting. Where one of our friends was going to talk about, what he had found by asking people their religious views, since we had asked him to talk about it. So, he answered us this way.

Well, I am glad you asked; I would say that most of the people that we have talked to, they are not interested talking about religious things willingly, and those who are talking, have expressed themselves in many ways; but let me break these people beliefs in groups so to speak, so that, a better picture can be seen?

So, first I have to say that a lot of people believe in God and religion just the way it is today. You see, since most religions have been the same for thousands of years, they are used to these religious beliefs; so, this portion of people does not want any change in religion, as they are happy to stay with the ways religions are nowadays, and if they have any doubts in their minds they are not showing it. So, it would be a waste of time to talk to them unless you agree fully with their religious beliefs, and you talk to them, just to have a chat and be friendly.

There is also a portion of people that have doubts about today’s religions, so, they are ready to talk about their religious beliefs and doubts, some of these people don’t feel sure whether what is being taught about religion today is the right thing to do. So, they ask themselves many religious questions, but they have no answers for any of those questions. They are religious believers, but they have some doubts in their mind and heart. You can talk to this group of people and they talk to you willingly, but they are not much help either, if you want to find out anything, or to formulate any new religious ideas.

We have also noted that right in the middle there is this large group of people, which believe in God and religions only up to a certain point, these people usually would like to know more and ask all sorts of questions, in the hope that they could find their way, how to return to religion fully one day, as they seem to feel that religion is still important to them in many ways; sometimes these people seem to want to follow religion just to have a sense of belonging to a group, as they like to have friends and religion gives this religious link to them that helps to have some friends.

Then there is at the extreme end of this middle group those who believe very little in religion as it is today, so, they are asking too many questions themselves about religions, they are agnostic as they believe and at the same time don’t believe in God and religions, one does not know what to do with this group, and yet they are the most interesting group, just because they would like to know more. That is all there is in this middle group.

And then, there is this last group of people, which today I would call the danger group for religion and religious beliefs, they are the atheist, they don’t believe in God and religions at all, so, for them it would be better if religions did not exist. They are usually very intelligent people and have a good job, so, for them there are no worries in life, therefore, they don’t see the need of God and religion to help them with their lives, like some less fortunate people do. Now, because they don’t need God and religions, as they feel secure within themselves; this well to do group starts putting forwards all sort of stories, in order to blame religion for some of the bad things religions have done in the past. They would also talk about religious extremist to run down religions, since these religious extremist kill in the name or their God. (Anyhow, today I don’t want to talk about the religious extremist, because this would change my main view of how I see religions;) so, I am saying that these people don’t see that mankind have only to blame themselves, because no real religion tells its believers to directly kill, or do anything else that may harm anyone.

But then, also attached to this well-educated atheist group, there are a few people that are poor uneducated people and they don’t believe in God just to protest their bad luck, as they are not happy about what the world is giving them, so, they see the need to believe only in themselves; now, because of this belief they may become the worst sort of mankind, because they don’t have any respect for humanity, and also they don’t have a God or religion or any other sort of inbuilt restrain within them. I could say more about this group but I think it is better that I stop here and see what you think about it all.

Having said all this about religions; I would only like to add what I have learned from all these enquiries; and I want you to remember how I see religion now, as this may well be important from now on, if we are going to talk about religious issues, because I believe that religions are important to keep, even if one day they might need to be modified. Religions might not be a universal human belief, as we have seen in the example of the atheists; but God and religions are still needed today for those people that are unfortunate, as they feel within their heart that they need God to protect or help them. For this reason, God and religions are needed, because; God and religion is hope for those who need hope most.

So, remember that;

Religion and God is hope for those who need hope most.

I said, very well said Mark! And so did Gino at the same time.

I believe that I have said enough in this post, so, see you in our next post, where we will comment on Mark speech.

May God bless us all?

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Palms and Easter 2017

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This is what we commemorate at Easter. We the Roman Catholic and other Christian religions follow the event of the death of our lord Jesus Christ. And then his resurrection.




Palms and Easter 2017

Dear readers, I am writing this post instead of our usual post, because in blogger we can post what we like, even if it is an article that has been published somewhere else, or has been rejected, because it may not be in line with rule of the site we want to publish. So, in a way I am posting this post, to keep a record of what I have written.

Anyhow, today I wanted to write this religious article, because soon it will be Easter, so, I was going to write this article, where I would have liked to tell you all the good religious things, that happen in this religious feast, but it is not going to happen like that, because of the horrible things that religions inflict each other’s these days. Here I am talking about what has just happened in Egypt.

I have always believed that religions should stand for doing the right things: here I want to say that religions should be a set of rules, written in such a way that the entire world should benefit, and not just a group of people. Any religion that does not fulfil that role is not a good religion. Today there is also this additional issue, because today the entire world is going global, also religions need to go global; for religions to work and satisfy the need of the people. For this reason, those religions that do not allow for globalization should be modified, but religious leaders don’t even think about it, because they want to follow their religion the old way, which allows them to control the people, even when controlling people in certain ways is wrong, but there are even more bad things here. In fact, I am shocked from what is just happened recently in Egypt.

One has to ask, does the world realize what has happened now? Two Christian churches have been bombed, 45 people have died, and 125 injured. What hurts most is that the people that have caused this disaster are religious fanatics, of another religion.

Having seen all this happen, one can only say that there is something very wrong, in this Muslim religion, since some of their believer practice so much violence, and worse still is that they believe that their God Allah wants them to kill other people. What other proof the world needs, to prove that this religion is a fake religion, since they twist their religion any way they want. But perhaps, I dare say that this Muslim religion may even be okay, if the faithful follow it the right path only, in other words, they should use their common sense, which would usually forbid any violence.

Anyhow, if the religious fanatics continue to follow all those things that harms other people, then this religion is not worth the paper it is written on. This would also affect their God Allah that allows them to use his name doing the wrong things. Because they would bring their God Allah down to their level. When I believe that Allah is a righteous God, and does not like what they do.

You see, it stands to human understanding, that a God should be well above our human needs, and does not need to kill other people, or wants his own people to kill other people. If there is any spiritual entity that wants to kill people, then this spiritual entity is not a God, it cannot be, because God represents life, and therefore should protect life. Therefore, in my opinion, those people that go out to kill other people are completely nuts, especially when they believe that they will go to paradise when they pass away.

But let us stop here talking about these very violent deeds, and let us see here under, what other religions believe in, specially the Christian religions, since that is the religion that I would know most. I believe that some religions would be better than this Muslim religion that allows violence, just because, their religious rules condemn violence more openly.

The Christian religions

So, let us compare, this violent deeds that we have talked about, to the Christian religions. Because, it is so wrong what has happened in Egypt to these two Coptic Christian churches. But what hurts most is that the people that have caused all these deaths and hurt so many people are religious people. For any Christian religious believer, what has happened on Palm Sunday is so painful and disgusting, because Palm Sunday is perhaps the greatest day of peace for any Christian religion. It is the day that our Lord Jesus Christ enters Jerusalem, riding a donkey, while the population brings these olive branches and other palms in the sign of peace. So, this day is supposed to bring peace, as I am going to explain in the following example.

Now let me point out this to you, in Southern Italy in the town that I come from, the way that we celebrate Palm Sunday is to make peace, this could extend even to your enemies, if you want. So, let me explain what we do this special Sunday, first we go to mass taking with us a small olive branch, where the priest after celebrating mass blesses these olive branches or anything green that you have brought with you. Now, this is only the beginning of how the people behave on Palm Sunday; because after the mass when the blessing ends, the people going out of the churches, exchange some of their palms in the sign of peace, once that is over you may call to the house of some relative or friends, if you haven’t met them at the church. Now, let me add this personal note, when I was young, after the church service I went home, my mother would ask me if I had gone to our closest relative to exchange this palm, because this would be a sign of respect for the relative elders. But there is also more, if you had a girlfriend this was a good time to exchange the blessed palm, and have a small talk, you see in those times boys and girls were kept at a distance, so, this was a good excuse to talk to her; and then again, if you were engaged, you should really go to buy a small golden olive branch from the Jeweller’s shop, take it to church to be blessed and then give it to you fiancé`. So, Palm Sunday was a very peaceful, happy and interesting day.

But those were the good times, when everything was done the old peaceful ways, which in my opinion were very good times to live in, even if in the small towns that we were living in, boys and girls were kept at a distance, and the religions that we were following had a lot to do with this tradition.

Now that we have explained, how we were living the old times and what we did on Palm Sunday, we are going to talk about what has happened in Egypt, and other things that could follow that happening.

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What has happened in Egypt?          

As we have already said, we have been shocked from what has happened in Egypt, but the worse part of it all, is that this violence could be repeated, we hope not, but it is hard to say what could happen next.

Anyhow, since then a few other things have happened, and the pope has been in Egypt, while he was there he has tried to calm down everybody, in the name of all religions, So, we hope that what he has done could help.

I believe that this is what I want to say, so, see you next time with another post.

May God bless us all?

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Palms and Easter 2017
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http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

About the Bible and revelation

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About the Bible and revelation
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The seven headed beast of Revelation, is described in the last chapter of the Bible
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My say about the Bible and Revelation

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, John’s religious speech, where Mark and Gino had said something about John’s speech and I was about to say something myself, so, let me continue. Look Gino and Mark, I know that we have our own personal things to attend to, so, we should go our own ways; but, let me say first a few more things about what I believe the Bible is like, before we go our own ways and do what we should do.

I believe that the Bible is two books in one, or perhaps several books all expressed in one single book, so, the Bible may have several meanings as well, and not just one religious meaning as it is being used today. Therefore, one has to be careful to attach just one single meaning to the entire Bible. Because, even though we know that the Bible has been used as a religious book for a very long time; we should also know that the Bible is a law book and an history book for the Israelite. You see, it is stated clearly in the Bible that it is a law book, they say that it is all God’s laws, as it is shown in the Ten Commandments for a start.

So, let us just assume that there is (was) this real God, who talked to Moses and that this God has laid down the laws as written in the Bible. But then one would like to ask; did this God really talk to Moses every single time Moses had to write these laws? Or perhaps sometimes Moses wrote his own laws, which were designed my himself according to the need of the times when he lived. So that, he could control his people as best as he could?

Of course what I have said (written above) is just an example, but with this Moses’ example I want to point out that this could be the case for just any other laws and religious writing in the Bible; so, one has to assume that not everything written in the Bible is God words or inspired by God, because it is subject to manipulation from the writer himself and from future writers as well.

Having said that I can now assume that, the book of Revelation in the Bible that we have been talking about with John. I believe that it could have been written like that, just because it needed to be written like that, at that particular tough time in history. You see, in those times, people were more violent than today, and also, most of the known world of those times was under the Roman rules, these Roman rules were very harsh; so, very likely the Bible Revelation was intended as being the end of the Roman rules and not the end of the world.

Therefore, this is one of the reasons why, I do not believe in Revelation and tribulation as written in the Bible, or I should say as most of the people want to understand it today, because I believe that it is not going to happen that way at all, because it is an almost impossible to happen just the way that it has been written in Revelation, anyhow it may have already come to pass, as the Roman empire has ended a long time ago.

Therefore, I feel that, if Revelation is going to happen as it is written in the Bible. And therefore, I am wrong in assuming that it is not going to happen and could not happen. Then, because I still want to write these religious writing and review the Bible, I may have reasons to believe that I am being used from God, or God’s life force energies of the universe, (if you start thinking that God might just be a life force.) Because, I would feel then, that I am being used as the forerunner of Revelation, and I am announcing that the first seal in Revelation is about to be (broken) opened, and therefore, Revelation is truly going to happen soon just the way it is written in the Bible. But let us hope that it does not and could not happen anyhow, and so, I am writing this to guide people away from this mistaken religious view.

Here I turned to my friend and said. Well, this is all what I wanted to say today, before we all go back to our own business, thanks for listening.

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The end of time personal views

After this meeting that I had with my friends, where we talked about the issues that we have written above, every one of us went our own way. So, I was left all by myself and I was still thinking what we had discussed at that meeting. While I was thinking about that, I became aware that not all the people that read religious pages may know what is meant by Revelation in the Bible. So, I thought that it would be helpful to explain very briefly to the public, what the Bible book of Revelation talks about.

The book of Revelation is the last book of The New Testament in the Bible, and it predict how the world will end, since according to the writer John, God wants the world to end on his terms (this John is not John who wrote one of the gospels). Now, whether Revelation is only a scary description to make people stronger in their religious beliefs, so that, they would follow their religion more closely, or it is something that is going really to happen nobody knows even today, so, the whole thing is open for discussions, and everybody can believe whatever they want to believe, so, let us discuss it a bit more here, this end of time warning of the bible.

As I have said and I am saying in this article, if what is written in revelation about the end of time is really going to happen, then because I am writing these religious writings, I am being used from God as the forerunner of Revelation, where I am announcing that the first seal is about to be opened. But at the same time I do not see that it is possible for me to be said forerunner for Revelation.

However, we believe that some religious changes are going to happen in the future, and whether they happen as it is written in the Bible, or something similar, it does not really matter much, as long as these changes happen. Anyhow, these changes will bring a new system somehow, so that, then the threat and warning of Revelation will cease to exist. Because then, Revelation could be said that it has taken place, since a new religious system would have been installed.

So, I am not particularly concerned about those threats in Revelation, because in one way or the other we will fulfil God’s will.

For the time being we may accept this explanation above, of course we are going to talk again and again about this subject later on in these religious writings.

To anyone that wants to see more of these religious writings can go to this web address:

http://sites.google.com/site/prayersofreconciliation/

Anyhow, I believe that I have said enough in this post, so see you in our next post called, more discussions about the end of times.

See you soon.

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If you believe in God 
About the Bible and revelation
IS TO BE CONTINUED
Next time with, discussions about the end of times  

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Some personal and religious links: 

http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com