John's religious speech

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The Bible is the most read book in the entire world, most religious people believe that it is the word of God. But today there are some people that think that it is only a religious book written my man. It is for sure the Israelite history and religious book. Here we could ask, how much it is God's word we don't know. Anyhow this is what some people believe.  

John's speech

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, our religious discussions, where we were about to hear what John was going to say, so, let us continue:     

And this is what John said.

Dear friends, you know already why I am here, but let me explain anyhow.

As some of you already know, I have been following up a few religions for a while, just to find out whether to be religious and follow this or that religion is the right thing to do for me. But, this could apply to myself and to any of us here as well. If we ask ourselves, what is the best way to go about believing and following a religion? Which one of these existing religions could be the right religion for us all? You see I have asked myself many times these questions; so, I have some good ideas about religions today. 

So, let me tell you my present beliefs. As you all know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible in one way or another, so, I believe that following what is written in the Bible is the right way to go, as most people seem to be happy to do that.

Therefore, after having studied a few religions I came to the conclusion that they are more or less all the same; so, I dare say that perhaps the best thing for anybody is to stay with the religion your parents have taught you, but really it is up to you what you want to do.

Now, let me come to today’s’ religious task. Mark and Gino here have come to me, they talked to me and told me about you Frank, and what you have intention to do. During our talks as a religious believer I became concerned. So, because I became concerned for this reason, I am here today to tell you about my concerns, so, I am here to talk about these concerns of mine, in order to help you to make the right decision once you have heard what I have to say.

Recently I was with a religious group, where we had a discussion about Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations in Revelation, and also, other things expressed in the Bible Revelation, so, they were looking for other explanations, or perhaps another way out that would be less demanding on humanity.

To cut a long story short, one of the members who was there pointed out to us, that we could do nothing at all about it, as the Bible itself warns us that it should not be changed. So, this bloke took the Bible and read the very end of Revelation which says the following. Here, I am going to quote from the Bible the same way as he did.

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Reading the end of the Bible

Here John took his Bible and read.

REVELATION

EPILOGUE

22-16- I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.

17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.

18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;

19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.

20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.

21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.

(End of quote from Bible)

This is how, The Jerusalem Bible, ends.

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Now, let us talk about this meeting that we had with Mark, Gino and John:

When John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself, why I was concerned and wanted to let you know what my views and beliefs are on these religious matters; so that, you would be aware how I see these religious issues.

Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say to you, I feel better already, because the decision will be yours, if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do by reviewing what is written in the Bible, or hear and heed the warning in the last chapter of the Bible, and therefore, stop just like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years, as they have been scared from that warning. What do you say now?

I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you have given me. I will think about it.

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Discussing Revelation and John's reading

Anyhow, now that John has given us his personal advice about Revelation, let us discuss what would be wise to do about it, since it looks like that before we do anything we will have to learn a lot more about this Bible warning that John has read to us, and therefore, I am not going to rush into doing anything, unless we discuss it first properly. So, I would like to discuss this matter a bit more with my friends here Mark and Gino just to see what they think about it.

Then, I turned to Gino and Mark and asked them: What do you think about John’s Bible warning? I would like to hear your opinion on this warning that he has read to us, therefore, if you have anything to say you can start saying it right away now.

Mark’s reply:

Well, what John has brought up sounds very serious to me, and I dare say that perhaps you Frank have to moderate most of your religious ideology, so that, it does not change anything that is said in the Bible, in other words whatever you are going to say about this issue, it should not contest the Bible scriptures. Here I want also to say to you. Look Frank! Lots of generations have gone past and they have all accepted the Bible and also Revelation just the way they are. So, I don’t know why you see it in a different way?

Therefore, I would like to suggest that we study first the Bible a bit longer, in the hope that we understand this issue better, before you do anything about this matter. What do you say to my request? Would you agree to study the Bible with us for a while yet before you make any decision?

We all said yes to Mark’s request saying, we agree with you that we need to study the Bible a lot more, before we make our decision and start saying anything about the Bible openly.

Then I added, but I would like to know also what Gino personally thinks about John’s warning and everything else? So, Gino tell us what you think about this Bible discussion and warning that John has talked about? I would like to know that because, I am sure that you have your own way of seeing these religious things.

Gino’s reply:

I am glad you asked. I have to say that I agree with Mark, when he says that we should really study this religious situation before we do anything; I want also to say that I was partly surprised about the way of John’s interpretation of the Bible. Because I believe that there may be another meaning to this sinister Bible warning, for me it does not add up properly, so, let me explain.

For me, I have always seen Our Lord Jesus Christ as a very friendly person; so, I was a bit surprised to hear all that change in Revelation. What makes me think this disagreement is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way the angel is saying it. You see, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel sounds very harsh and he issues threatening warnings, here Jesus seems completely changed, Jesus sounds more like God Yahweh than Jesus. So, I believe that there are several meanings in those writings, and I would say that we should investigate and proceed with caution.

Me to Gino- Gino! What do you mean by proceed with caution?

Gino to me- What else can you do? You can’t rush things in a situation like this. You may have to read the Bible once or twice more from the beginning until the very end; or at least all the new Testament to find the meaning of what has been said, and then and only then, you may be in a position to decide what to talk about.

Mark said- Frank, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do.

Then, if it is God’s will that you have to write these religious writings, God will make sure that you will find enough time and also the right way how to do it?

Now, since we have already spent a great deal of time on this religious task, I suggest that we adjourn the meeting for another time. So, let us enjoy ourselves the usual way before we have to depart our own way, in order to do what we usually do. This is how my friends concluded their answer to my request.

I believe that I have said enough in this post, as today average readers don’t like long articles, so, I will continue to have my say next time about the Bible and Revelation. See you soon.

May god bless us all.

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If you believe in God 
The Bible and today violent happenings
IS TO BE CONTINUED
Next time with, our religious discussions  

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http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

Our religious discussions

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Our religious discussions
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If we want to do something useful for our community, we need to meet and discuss whatever is on our mind, in our case here, we are discussing religious matters
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Our religious discussions

Here are some of our friendly religious discussions

Dear readers, this post is the continuation of our last post, the bible and today violent happenings, where we were about to have some discussions. So, hereunder are some religious discussions that we have had with some of our close religious friends. This meeting happened sometime after the first meeting. At this new meeting, Mark and Gino came together with another friend called John, but as soon as they saw me they grew a bit serious and they didn’t seem to be their usual self, as they are usually happy when we meet together and chat about various things, so, I guessed that I had given them a hard task, which at the present time it seems to upset them a fair bit.

So I asked them; what’s the matter with you my friend? Why isn’t your usual self, and happy? You seem very grave to me is there anything that is upsetting you, I would like to know?

No, personally nothing is upsetting us accept the news that we are bringing you, (they said) which are not going to be exactly those religious views that you would have liked to hear from us. Anyhow, let me tell you, we have been talking to a few people about what you would like to do, and also, your intention of reading and reviewing the Bible, perhaps just by giving it a different meaning somehow. Of course we did not tell them about your supernatural encounter, as we agreed with you that we should not talk about it with any outsiders; so, we talked only about what you have intention to say or write, like reviewing the meanings of the Bible and what it means or something of that sort. Now, the outcome of these talks has left us concerned, as there is no way to know what people really think about religions nowadays, they are too shifty and contradict themselves many time, while you are talking to them. Therefore, now we are even more concerned than when we started asking those religious questions; for this reason, we are here to show you what we have learned and what these things might mean.

Here, Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit more upset about what they were still going to say to me next, so, I tried to put them at ease.

Well, (I said) I thought that this outcome was likely to happen, because people usually don’t like to think about difficult matters, and religion is perhaps one of the most difficult of them all. If religious matters were easy, they would have been solved by now. For these reasons, people keep believing what they have been told to believe, and what they have been taught to do during their lives, as this is for them the easy way out, but really I believe that for sure there is another unexplored religious way and I would like to find it out, with or without your help.

So, tell me a bit more about this religious exploration of yours: Did most people give you negative comments about what I would like to do? Or, did they also have some positive comments? If they did both what percentage were they?

Well, it is hard to say, but a rough estimate is that they seem to be about half of them, so 50% could be the right figure just to put a figure on that amount. But this is not all, because some of those people, that didn’t like your religious ideas about reviewing the bible come on very strong, so we thought that it would be good for you to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and really what he has been saying make sense to us too.

Now, if you agree we may hear what John has to say?

Okay I said, let John speak then, about these religious matters, if this is what is on his mind, since it seems to me that he believes in what he is going to say.  

Anyhow, I believe that if I write about what John is going to say in this post, and other things that should follow, this post might be too long. So, I am going to write it in our next post called, John’s speech.

See you soon.  

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If you believe in God 
The Bible and today violent happenings
IS TO BE CONTINUED
Next time with, our religious discussions  

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Some personal and religious links: 

http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com

The Bible and today violent happenings

THIS BLOG HAS BEEN OPENED FOR ANY BELIEVER TO DISCUSS RELIGIOUS MATTERS, SO IT IS OPEN FOR ANYBODY TO BROWSE AND TAKE PART.
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Welcome to our blog, if you believe in God
and this post, The Bible and today violent happenings
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The Bible and today violent happenings
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One of the Yemen photo that the suicide bomber caused. It is really shocking that religious people can cause so much destruction, when religions should really stand to bring peace and good will to the entire world.
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Our religious book the bible is the most read book in the world, it covers all Christian religions and also the Muslim religions, as most of the Koran talks about the same God of the Bible and Abraham.

The Bible and today violent happenings

Dear readers, this could be the continuation of our previous post, comparison of prayers, even though it is not closely connected to it, however it is still a religious post, where we are having some biblical discussions. So, we are going to talk about, what is happening in the world today. Because, while I have been editing this article, I have concluded that one really needs to ask oneself whether today violent happenings, have a link to what is written in the Bible, because what is happening is really of biblical proportion and it’s worrying the entire world, so let us just mention what is happening, and then, try to compare it with what is written in the Bible.

We should say here that every time I read, or come back to review and edit one of my articles, there is always something else that could be added to it, because of those events that happen in the world these days. While I am editing this article is March 2015, again there are terrible and violent news all around us; the last of which is in Yemen where more than 120 people have been killed from these suicide bombers in a mosque, also more than 20 soldiers have been killed from another group of these terrorist fanatics.

There are reasons to believe that the terrorists are religious fanatic, who have been brain washed, and so, they believe that according to their religious beliefs, when they die they are going straight to paradise to enjoy eternal life. Therefore, this is happening because of their twisted religious beliefs, they believe that they are doing the right thing according to the laws of Allah their God. Here I want to make this observation, let the rest of the world hope that not all Muslims believe what these terrorists believe, because if they do, then the world could be in real trouble. So, the rest of the world must find a way how to stop these violent happenings.

We should say also that, the attitude of these Muslim religious people, it is so far apart from the attitude of us Christian, whom believe that killing anyone is the most horrible sin that one could commit, in fact even killing oneself willingly is a sin against God and Mother Nature. We have added this new comment above, because this could be a direct link to Armageddon as written in the Bible, which we are going to discuss in this article, as the end of time friendly discussion.

Of course, there are a lot more killings going on in the world these days; in Tunisia they have killed more than twenty tourists, while they were visiting this museum, in Libya they have many small wars going on all the time, the terrorists threaten many countries or places in many ways; in the Middle East is just the same if not worse and many other things. It seems as if some groups of the Muslim religious are extremists, and they have declared war to each and every one of us; so, if we ask ourselves is this the beginning of the end of the world as we know it? I suppose we have a good reason to ask this question, as it resamples some events that are written at the end of the Bible in Revelation; well what we have just said about the end of the world, may indeed be like what is happening now, but we hope it is not and it only seems similar.

Having said that, now, let us see what the end of the Bible says, and talk about this end of time discussions.

 The end of time friendly discussions

As most of us know, the last book of the New Testament is called, Revelation and it talks about how the present system will end. So, let us review this chapter in the Bible and talk about the end of time discussions. You see, since we were little children, we have been exposed to these religious beliefs; most of our beliefs seem to work well and help us live our lives peacefully. But then there are some of these religious beliefs that would strike fear in our hearts and one of these is the end of time, as written in the book of Revelation. As things are going in the world these days, even this dreadful event could become possible because of what is happening, as we have mentioned already these violent events at the beginning of this article.

Because of this chapter in the Bible of Revelation,  as soon as something violent happens in the world that seems out of the ordinary, we will soon ask ourselves whether it is just a normal violent happening, or something else that could threaten our lives, and then we ask also ourselves whether this could be the beginning to the end of the world, because that is the way that we have been told since we were young, you see this violent event is written in Revelation near the end if the Bible, which is supposed to be the book that God inspired, and some people firmly believe that the Bible is really the word of God.

Whether the Bible has really been inspired by God is difficult to say, but a lot of people believe it is, now, as we know in religions people beliefs is what counts most, so, in a way we should accept what people believe what is written in the Bible Revelation, therefore let us see what is written in the Bible Revelation. The book of revelation; written by John (this is not John who wrote the gospel, since for some reason the expert say that Revelation was written much later). Anyhow this john is believed to have had a vision, where the end of the present system is foretold, so people are waiting for the world to end according to John’s vision. But, is this foretold event of the Bible Revelation really going to happen? Or does the book of Revelation mean something else and we have missed the real meaning of the Bible Revelations? This is what we are trying to discuss in this hub, in the hope that we come up with some positive answers and help the public understand better what it might mean?

Therefore, we will be discussing about The Bible Revelation and therefore the end of times as written in the Bible. Or as the Greek call it apocalypse, which is a name that easily puts fear into everyone heart, for these reasons most people do not like to talk about the Bible Revelation, because the violent events in there are a bit scary to say the least. But then, it is very hard to make sense of the whole Book of Revelation and why it has been written that way in the first place. In fact, it sounds too scary and for that reason it might not be true, because the whole book of Revelation might have been written to scare people into submission; today we don’t see any other reason, why the book of Revelation has been written, the way it has been written.

Anyhow, anyone reading this chapter of the book of Revelation in the Bible should ask themselves, is there any reason why God wants these terrible things to happen to us, just the way it has been written in revelation? After all God is supposed to be the Father of all living being, therefore we cannot believe that God is going to be so cruel and destroy us, in this terrible way.

Because I believe that for me, this cannot be true, because God is supposed to be a benevolent loving Father. I hope you agree with my statement about God being good? So, why these Revelation were written in a way to scare us so much, one may never know.

Anyhow, as we have said in this article, we are going to talk about the Bible Revelation, so, if you happen to believe in the Bible Revelation you should read this article, and then take part in those religious discussions that might follow.

Anyhow, now let us go back to talk about what we were writing in our last article. Dear readers as you all know from our previous articles, we were meeting with some religious friends to discuss religious matters as we have explained in the article Spiritual circumstances, 9, therefore, we are meeting again to talk about our religious views or reviews and in this case about the book of Revelation, in the hope of finding a way that would help to understand it better, or perhaps ask ourselves whether Revelation could be true or false. Anyhow let us discuss this article at length with our friends in a friendly discussion, in our next post, because this post is becoming too long for today average internet readers.

So, see you soon, in our next post, our religious discussions.

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If you believe in God 
The Bible and today violent happenings
IS TO BE CONTINUED
Next time with, our religious discussions  

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Some personal and religious links: 

http://menfranco-re.blogspot.com/

http://ifyoubelieveingod.blogspot.com/
http://publicreligiousforum.yolasite.com

http://manneedsgod.co.uk

http://frankmenchise.com